{"id":177874,"date":"2022-12-02T06:01:32","date_gmt":"2022-12-02T12:01:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.premiumbeat.com\/blog\/?p=177874"},"modified":"2022-12-02T06:01:33","modified_gmt":"2022-12-02T12:01:33","slug":"sound-is-the-story-bardo-interview","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.premiumbeat.com\/blog\/sound-is-the-story-bardo-interview\/","title":{"rendered":"\u201cSound is the Story Behind the Story\u201d: An Interview with \u2018Bardo\u2019 Sound Designer Mart\u00edn Hern\u00e1ndez&nbsp;"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-two-time-academy-award-nominated-sound-editor-martin-hernandez-on-working-with-alejandro-g-inarritu-on-his-latest-and-most-ambitious-film-yet\"><span id=\"two-time-academy-award-nominated-sound-editor-martin-hernandez-on-working-with-alejandro-g-inarritu-on-his-latest-and-most-ambitious-film-yet\">Two-time Academy Award-nominated sound editor Mart\u00edn Hern\u00e1ndez on working with Alejandro G. I\u00f1\u00e1rritu on his latest \u2014 and most ambitious \u2014 film yet.<\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">At the core of every great filmmaker, a simple storyteller\u2019s heart beats. And with the illustriously talented filmmaker Alejandro G. I\u00f1\u00e1rritu, we have the beating rhythmic heart of great storytelling. With his latest film Bardo (aka Bardo, False Chronicle of a Handful of Truths), the Oscar award-winning director he\u2019s unleashed his most unbridled and personal films to date, yet \u2014 despite all of its ambition \u2014 it\u2019s still a film about the heart of a storyteller.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Fittingly enough, we were able to chat with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.imdb.com\/name\/nm0380057\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" data-wpel-link=\"external\">Mart\u00edn Hern\u00e1ndez<\/a>, a long-time friend and collaborator of I\u00f1\u00e1rritu\u2019s who similarly began his storytelling career in what seemingly might be the unlikeliest of sources \u2014 radio and sound design.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Serving as the supervising sound editor and mixer, Mart\u00edn Hern\u00e1ndez is a two-time Academy Award-nominated sound editor from his previous collaborative efforts with I\u00f1\u00e1rritu, including Birdman and The Revenant. He\u2019s also an astute student of the art of storytelling and one of the best experts in the medium to share with us some insights into how sound can be used to tell the story behind the story.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"1024\" width=\"579\" src=\"https:\/\/www.premiumbeat.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Martin-Hernandez.png?w=579\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-177875\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Martin-Hernandez.png 755w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Martin-Hernandez.png?resize=170,300 170w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Martin-Hernandez.png?resize=579,1024 579w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Martin-Hernandez.png?resize=277,490 277w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Martin-Hernandez.png?resize=359,635 359w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Martin-Hernandez.png?resize=543,961 543w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Martin-Hernandez.png?resize=560,991 560w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Martin-Hernandez.png?resize=150,265 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 579px) 100vw, 579px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 id=\"premiumbeat-tell-us-how-you-first-connected-with-alejandro-g-inarritu-and-brought-you-on-this-project\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">PremiumBeat: Tell us how you first connected with Alejandro G. I\u00f1\u00e1rritu and brought you on this project.<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Hernandez<\/strong>: Well, it\u2019s almost been a 40-year relationship. I met [I\u00f1\u00e1rritu] a long time ago. We were in college together studying what\u2019s now called communications. We met there when we were probably 18 or 19 and, to keep a conversation from getting too boring (laughs), we ended up doing radio together, and it was very successful.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We then moved into advertising, and he got into directing, which ultimately became his starting point. Fast forward some 30 years later, and I was reading the script for what would eventually become Bardo in probably 2019. But then the pandemic hit everyone in the world, so it was delayed for a while before things changed, and now\u2026 the rest is history.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 id=\"premiumbeat-and-at-what-point-in-the-production-of-bardo-did-you-begin-designing-with-inarritu-on-the-sound-for-the-film\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">PremiumBeat: And at what point in the production of Bardo did you begin designing with I\u00f1\u00e1rritu on the sound for the film?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/lCQimQfDuTs?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Hernandez<\/strong>: For this specific film process, we started working together early on. He already had some key scenes shot, so we were curious to see how the sound could develop and where the sound was heading. We then regressed more into concept sounds as an exercise to find the right sound without images. It was focused on finding the sounds that reminded us of home.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Alejandro and I are about the same age, so we come from a very common cultural background, so to speak. We shared a lot of sound memories in that sense. And in that first draft, we wanted a radical exploration into what sounds we could remember and could compel us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And then there\u2019s also the relationship with our own cultural aspects. Mexico is a very different place now than it was when we were born. I remember hearing this word a lot \u2014 which was \u201ccrisis.\u201d It was always a crisis in Mexico. We were always in an economic crisis and always about to collapse. And that\u2019s the way it was. So that really represents a lot of what happens in Mexico even today in many ways.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And those words and fears have a sound resonance which we were used to in our little bubble isolated from the world. If you wanted to read or watch the latest film, book, or album, you had to wait until one hits the record store or the kiosk. But even in this isolation, you could have a lot of imagination \u2014 so it makes up for that. So this sound story is a very different story on its own. It\u2019s like a concept album from this place we shared.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 id=\"premiumbeat-there-are-a-lot-of-interesting-sound-editing-decisions-in-the-film-including-mixing-internal-monologue-as-dialogue-how-did-you-work-to-achieve-this\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">PremiumBeat: There are a lot of interesting sound editing decisions in the film, including mixing internal monologue as dialogue. How did you work to achieve this?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"755\" height=\"454\" src=\"https:\/\/www.premiumbeat.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-177877\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-1.jpg 755w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-1.jpg?resize=300,180 300w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-1.jpg?resize=277,167 277w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-1.jpg?resize=359,216 359w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-1.jpg?resize=543,327 543w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-1.jpg?resize=560,337 560w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-1.jpg?resize=150,90 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 755px) 100vw, 755px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Hernandez<\/strong>: Well, you know Jourdan, the director is always the first challenge everywhere (laughs). And I guess the most significant challenge with Alejandro is trying to relate all the time to his idea of a memory. For him, the film was really a collection of memories the way that he remembers them. So how do you go there to find each one? How do you know where to start?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There\u2019s no perfect answer for any of this, but it\u2019s with an exhilarating uncertainty that you have to try. And he did not want to express realism in the film; he wanted the juxtaposition to be about the very expression of reality. And Bardo is about just that \u2014 not about truth but about all of the things which we remember and how they look and how they smell.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But it wasn\u2019t meant to be a depiction of reality at all.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 id=\"premiumbeat-what-sound-editing-software-or-tools-do-you-use\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">PremiumBeat: What sound editing software or tools do you use?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"755\" height=\"434\" src=\"https:\/\/www.premiumbeat.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-177878\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-2.jpg 755w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-2.jpg?resize=300,172 300w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-2.jpg?resize=277,159 277w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-2.jpg?resize=359,206 359w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-2.jpg?resize=543,312 543w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-2.jpg?resize=560,322 560w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-2.jpg?resize=150,86 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 755px) 100vw, 755px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Hernandez<\/strong>: I\u2019m going to answer this question with something that might not be very helpful, but I\u2019m going to tell you because it\u2019s something that David Gilmore from Pink Floyd told me years ago when we were in LA and were both on those radio days\u2026 I remember we were big fans of Pink Floyd, and in this conversation, this interview we were doing for the radio, and we were very intrigued by the use of technology. So we asked David about his recording techniques, and he gave us this answer in a very dry and very British way, which was asking why we were even talking about technology.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And he was right. It\u2019s all just tools. And I\u2019m saying this because, you know, I have a post-production company here in Mexico called Cinematic media, and we have all of the tools \u2014 we have Atmos rooms, tonal systems, RS microphones, blah, blah, blah. But those all miss the point, which is why we need these toys.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You can\u2019t start on anything without having a reason. And the reason should be a simple reason \u2014 to tell a story. That\u2019s why we read the book, hear the broadcast, and go to the movies. We want a really good story, a bedtime story.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And that\u2019s precisely the same when you\u2019re doing anything for a film. We are not just illustrating images with computers where you can scratch your head and say, &#8221; Oh, this should be in the woods, so let\u2019s put some trees, some birds, some wind, and a river over there. No, that\u2019s not storytelling.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Sound should be the story behind the story so that when we\u2019re not precisely watching, maybe we\u2019ll be hearing just enough of something that tells the story of what we\u2019re not seeing. If you can use your head and your imagination, your willingness to start telling the story behind the lines, the recorded dialogue, or the music, you\u2019ll be able to find that story behind the story.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 id=\"premiumbeat-if-you-could-give-any-advice-to-up-and-coming-filmmakers-about-how-to-record-and-work-with-sound-in-their-projects-what-would-it-be\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">PremiumBeat: If you could give any advice to up-and-coming filmmakers about how to record and work with sound in their projects \u2014 what would it be?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"755\" height=\"368\" src=\"https:\/\/www.premiumbeat.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-3.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-177879\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-3.jpg 755w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-3.jpg?resize=300,146 300w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-3.jpg?resize=277,135 277w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-3.jpg?resize=359,175 359w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-3.jpg?resize=543,265 543w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-3.jpg?resize=560,273 560w, https:\/\/vip-go.premiumbeat.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bardo-3.jpg?resize=150,73 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 755px) 100vw, 755px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Hernandez<\/strong>: English isn\u2019t my first language so I could say it better in Spanish (laughs). But again, storytelling is something you should try to explore narratively rather than rely on the tools. The tools, for sure are very much needed. And let me tell you, nowadays, we have some amazing tools. When we got started, if you weren\u2019t rich, sound editing was a nightmare. But now you can cut things in your room and bring those things to the theater cut exactly the way you envisioned them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And I mean, Alejandro and I were doing flags before he started shooting. We were in his apartment here in Mexico, and we were recording things and doing things on a small laptop in a pro system as a way to work on some sound ideas. So, sure, technology is beneficial. But I still believe that the willingness behind the hands and fingers is much better.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For more filmmaking interviews and insights, check out some of these articles from the blog.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.premiumbeat.com\/blog\/how-technology-made-david-fincher-a-better-director\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" data-wpel-link=\"internal\">How Technology Made David Fincher a Better Director<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.premiumbeat.com\/blog\/the-art-of-editing-superhero-films-black-adam\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" data-wpel-link=\"internal\">The Art of Editing Superhero Films with Editing Team Behind \u2018Black Adam\u2019<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.premiumbeat.com\/blog\/darren-aronofsky-on-the-whale-and-the-3-things-you-need-to-create-cinema\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" data-wpel-link=\"internal\">Darren Aronofsky on \u2018The Whale\u2019 and the 3 Things You Need to Create Cinema<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.premiumbeat.com\/blog\/visual-homage-cinema\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" data-wpel-link=\"internal\">Visual Homage in Cinema<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.premiumbeat.com\/blog\/barbarian-editor-joe-murphy-horror-interview\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" data-wpel-link=\"internal\">Analyzing (and Crafting) Horror with \u2018Barbarian\u2019 Editor Joe Murphy<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Two-time Academy Award-nominated sound editor Mart\u00edn Hern\u00e1ndez on working with Alejandro G. 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